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but why not, yeah sure I've got no great ambition to be on
But you seemed a bit uneasy in the
'cause I couldn't care less to tell the truth and I know
it seems, he would say that; but I don't believe I'm alone
...shows that have successful. That's not what
I do. This is purely a means to fund a life you know. I've
got a agreeable old house up on Blackheath and everything
else and that's what I do. One thing I've learnt since I've
been working with Chris
.Evans, is that you can actually,
if you put half a mind to it and want to sacrifice, pretty
the other sides of your life. Walk in and get your
own team and say, "This is how this show is going to
be done". I'm never like that. I never am like that.
I mean I'm not culpable as far as work colleagues go, but
I do live a pretty lush old life and I'm not going to start
slowing it down to turn up at work more and that is the great
fault of a load of those programmes. I was coming in on one
wing you know, "Dan please give us your complete attention,
come to rehearsals, please write something before two hours
before we go on air", but I can't." When I write
for other people I do, I mean I'm very diligent if I'm writing
for Angus Deaton, Jonathan, Chris, I'll write the script.
For meself, "Nah!". This is not what I do, I don't
know what I do but it's not this.
At the risk of sounding like a terribly pompous Radio Four
Presenter, that's a bit irresponsible isn't it?
Yeah, but it is, but it depends on whether you price your
..I don't see a career. I don't look
at it and think
No, but you're inviting millions of people to sit down and
Yeah but I know, but I've got such a disrespect in the end
for television. I don't think, I think it's fatally flawed
in the first place some of the things
But why did you want to appear on it?
Because they've given me huge amounts of money. Huge amounts
of money. I think I was getting quarter of a million to make
What are you going to say, "No?"
What, I'm going to save the nation, I'm going to be the respected
broadcaster who when he's gone said, "I'll tell you who
was pretty good". I may have irritated and got on everyone's
nerves, but it doesn't bother me. It really did not bother
me. I was getting a huge amount of money
.why would I
have advertised Daz and Mars, if I was looking to become Clive
James? I'll be Clive James in real-life thanks, not on screen.
I'd far rather be entertaining really than some old bore who
hangs around Green Rooms all the time and worries about his
This isn't the language of a bitter man is it?
(Laughter) Look it would be were I still knocking on television's
door and saying and believe me. Okay, I'm here today with
you, but I hope this is the kind of programme I'd like to
do, when you're doing radio and you can talk and you're not
going to be edited up. But I suspect, if I wanted to , I could
get a job at, I don't know, Granada Plus or something or be
After what you've said today?
No, no, exactly. No it's not bitter. See the thing is that
this is to suggest that everything was catastrophe and ashes;
no, no, I mean Win Lose or Draw, I left out at the fourth
series. You may say it was only a morning game show, pretty
good work in it, it was pretty good. Some of the talk shows
were actually all right, there were some bits of those that
worked and it makes you think what might have been. But it
depends whether you say you're empire-building. I don't believe,
I think television is a pretty nit-witty thing to do; I think
it's like the Deutsche mark after the First World War. You
don't have to think that what you do is great or even good.
No great art, but it shows a bit of contempt for the audience.
You see, you keep coming back to that. I don't think of an
audience at all.
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